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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepronews.com/2009/09/10/black-hat-white-hat-and-big-g/comment-page-1/#comment-14133</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Hayes&#039;s candy bar comparison is nonsensical, imo.

He says: &quot;If you don’t want Google’s candy walk away&quot;.

But that&#039;s the problem; you can&#039;t walk away from a &quot;search engine&quot; that has a virtual monopoly on search, with 85% (here in Europe anyway) of the search market cornered.

What&#039;s more, Google doesn&#039;t HAVE any candy. The &quot;candy&quot; in this case is content, and it is we, the webmasters and website owners, who produce it. Google produces nothing, except systems and gizmos to exploit the work of other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hayes&#8217;s candy bar comparison is nonsensical, imo.</p>
<p>He says: &#8220;If you don’t want Google’s candy walk away&#8221;.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s the problem; you can&#8217;t walk away from a &#8220;search engine&#8221; that has a virtual monopoly on search, with 85% (here in Europe anyway) of the search market cornered.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, Google doesn&#8217;t HAVE any candy. The &#8220;candy&#8221; in this case is content, and it is we, the webmasters and website owners, who produce it. Google produces nothing, except systems and gizmos to exploit the work of other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Lockey</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepronews.com/2009/09/10/black-hat-white-hat-and-big-g/comment-page-1/#comment-14128</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Lockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of &#039;black hat&#039; SEO isn&#039;t by itself unethical, the reason it is regarded as such is because:

1- Most black hat SEOs don&#039;t tell their customers it has a risk of the customer&#039;s site been banned in Google
2- Most black hat sites are lies/scams or made for adsence sites that provide no content for the user (not all but most)
3- Most of the Google guidelines basically say &#039;Don&#039;t try and scam the user&#039; which is unethical. If someone wastes my time for their own goals its unethical and greedy. In general (but not always) breaking the Google guidelines is unethical

Google isn&#039;t always right but its hardly as bad as a lot of the people above make out. 

You don&#039;t like Google&#039;s rules, well thats fine but don&#039;t expect them to modify their rules for you or to rank in THEIR search engine. They haven&#039;t really appointed themselves Internet cop, they are mearly policing their own Index/search results. 

If you are complaining about that then you&#039;ve got a more serious problem than your SERPs position ;)
The only reason this is a problem at all is because they are the biggest search engine so everyone thinks that they MUST be on Google or they aren&#039;t on the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of &#8216;black hat&#8217; SEO isn&#8217;t by itself unethical, the reason it is regarded as such is because:</p>
<p>1- Most black hat SEOs don&#8217;t tell their customers it has a risk of the customer&#8217;s site been banned in Google<br />
2- Most black hat sites are lies/scams or made for adsence sites that provide no content for the user (not all but most)<br />
3- Most of the Google guidelines basically say &#8216;Don&#8217;t try and scam the user&#8217; which is unethical. If someone wastes my time for their own goals its unethical and greedy. In general (but not always) breaking the Google guidelines is unethical</p>
<p>Google isn&#8217;t always right but its hardly as bad as a lot of the people above make out. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like Google&#8217;s rules, well thats fine but don&#8217;t expect them to modify their rules for you or to rank in THEIR search engine. They haven&#8217;t really appointed themselves Internet cop, they are mearly policing their own Index/search results. </p>
<p>If you are complaining about that then you&#8217;ve got a more serious problem than your SERPs position <img src='http://www.sitepronews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
The only reason this is a problem at all is because they are the biggest search engine so everyone thinks that they MUST be on Google or they aren&#8217;t on the web.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Gage</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepronews.com/2009/09/10/black-hat-white-hat-and-big-g/comment-page-1/#comment-14111</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen Gage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent information. Obviously well researched and thought through. 

When you mentioned the part about the sales letter not reflecting what is in the product how one &quot;reads&quot; a sales letter can often determine if their expectations were too high. 

There are times when someone is expecting far too much for their investment. For example, when one buys a $10 report they can hardly expect that to solve all their business problems and yet, some people do have that expectation. 

Even though misleading is one thing, misreading is another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent information. Obviously well researched and thought through. </p>
<p>When you mentioned the part about the sales letter not reflecting what is in the product how one &#8220;reads&#8221; a sales letter can often determine if their expectations were too high. </p>
<p>There are times when someone is expecting far too much for their investment. For example, when one buys a $10 report they can hardly expect that to solve all their business problems and yet, some people do have that expectation. </p>
<p>Even though misleading is one thing, misreading is another.</p>
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		<title>By: I just got the dreaded Adsense letter</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepronews.com/2009/09/10/black-hat-white-hat-and-big-g/comment-page-1/#comment-14088</link>
		<dc:creator>I just got the dreaded Adsense letter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up! There is lots to do out there that does not depend on Google!!  Also, read my article here: SiteProNews: Webmaster News &amp; Resources Blog Archive Black Hat, White Hat and Big G  It might help you put the whole thing into a new [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up! There is lots to do out there that does not depend on Google!!  Also, read my article here: SiteProNews: Webmaster News &amp; Resources Blog Archive Black Hat, White Hat and Big G  It might help you put the whole thing into a new [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MasterLinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasterLinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic article!  I have been preaching this for a long time and it&#039;s a treat to see that you wrote such a great article about it.

You said it best: just because Google doesn&#039;t like it, that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s unethical.  

Google is trying to police the entire SEO world because their fortune is built upon how they use backlinks to rank websites.  If website owners change the playing field, then Google needs to adjust, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article!  I have been preaching this for a long time and it&#8217;s a treat to see that you wrote such a great article about it.</p>
<p>You said it best: just because Google doesn&#8217;t like it, that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s unethical.  </p>
<p>Google is trying to police the entire SEO world because their fortune is built upon how they use backlinks to rank websites.  If website owners change the playing field, then Google needs to adjust, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Marketing</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepronews.com/2009/09/10/black-hat-white-hat-and-big-g/comment-page-1/#comment-13994</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thought provoking article. With regards to black hat and white hat SEO, all SEO uses priniciples which are designed to manipulate the search engine to produce the keyword relevant results in the search listings that have been optimised for. Obviously those prinicples which are unethical as determined by Google are to be avoided otherwise a site could be penalised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thought provoking article. With regards to black hat and white hat SEO, all SEO uses priniciples which are designed to manipulate the search engine to produce the keyword relevant results in the search listings that have been optimised for. Obviously those prinicples which are unethical as determined by Google are to be avoided otherwise a site could be penalised.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethical Blogging: Black hat, white hat, grey hat SEO?</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepronews.com/2009/09/10/black-hat-white-hat-and-big-g/comment-page-1/#comment-13975</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethical Blogging: Black hat, white hat, grey hat SEO?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] found this great post over on SiteProNews that explores the ethics of search-engine optimisation (SEO), and just who gets to define what is and isn&#8217;t acceptable (hint: Google).  It really [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] found this great post over on SiteProNews that explores the ethics of search-engine optimisation (SEO), and just who gets to define what is and isn&#8217;t acceptable (hint: Google).  It really [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ScottishExperience</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepronews.com/2009/09/10/black-hat-white-hat-and-big-g/comment-page-1/#comment-13957</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottishExperience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>original content laid out in a simple manner with basic SEO is likley to bring you more conversion traffic than masses of traffic from black/greyHAT techniques. This i believe is what google is trying to show us... being a &#039;super power&#039; search engin the messege could easily be shown as &#039;rules&#039; lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>original content laid out in a simple manner with basic SEO is likley to bring you more conversion traffic than masses of traffic from black/greyHAT techniques. This i believe is what google is trying to show us&#8230; being a &#8216;super power&#8217; search engin the messege could easily be shown as &#8216;rules&#8217; lol</p>
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		<title>By: indian crorepati</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepronews.com/2009/09/10/black-hat-white-hat-and-big-g/comment-page-1/#comment-13947</link>
		<dc:creator>indian crorepati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good information</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good information</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Marketing Consultants</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepronews.com/2009/09/10/black-hat-white-hat-and-big-g/comment-page-1/#comment-13908</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Marketing Consultants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the bold but fair criticism of Google and its self appointed position as &quot;The Internet Cop.&quot;  It wouldn&#039;t be such an issue if Google was more consistent.  For example, we&#039;re doing our best to build links in a very &quot;White Hat&quot; sort of way.  However, when I look at my Google Webmaster Tools (GWT) account, I find very few of the links there were reported via Google Alerts are listed in GWT.  What gives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the bold but fair criticism of Google and its self appointed position as &#8220;The Internet Cop.&#8221;  It wouldn&#8217;t be such an issue if Google was more consistent.  For example, we&#8217;re doing our best to build links in a very &#8220;White Hat&#8221; sort of way.  However, when I look at my Google Webmaster Tools (GWT) account, I find very few of the links there were reported via Google Alerts are listed in GWT.  What gives?</p>
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